Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on March 5, 2023, 4:44 am

Hello Maverick,

Notice the development there:

1. TRAP question: "asked if I knew how it worked"
2. Falling for the trap with an answer: you execute his task and give him an answer. Once you do that, you're already lost because you executed his task, and give him the power to judge your answer. Since he's a game player, he will most likely judge it poorly and use it to social climb on you
3. Judge the answer as "poor"
4. Fixes the answer with the "real" reason
5. TRAP 2 asking if it's clear: "did you understand"
6. Task: "repeat what I said"

Albeit the most shocking one feels like the last one, the task, as you correctly guessed, this was a whole chain of getting there.

To handle, most of PU techniques apply.

So I'd like to focus more on the timing here.
Because, ideally, the best intervention is always at the very beginning.

I think PU mentions that whenever someone asks questions such as:

• "do you know how..."
• "tell me how this works... "
• "can you guess why... "

You can already smell a possible "teacher frame trap".

But it's worse than a teacher frame because they seek to set you up with a mistake first.

Once you fall for the mistake, you're already checkmated and it's harder to recover.
So the best course of action is to never guess the answer.

There's also a video in the TPM channel of a female reporter asking around at a lottery center if people "know their chance of winning".
That's very similar : she's setting up the teacher frame.
The video says that a good answer is to prevent the set up -and the proposed solution is to say "why, you wanna tell me that the chances are slim to none?"

So here you could reply to your friend after the very first trap question:

Why, do you then wanna go ahead and brag-teach me to showboat you know better?

Then pat him as you say "it's OK, I know you're a smart guy bro".

Quote from Maverick on March 5, 2023, 9:14 pm

Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on March 5, 2023, 4:44 am

Hello Maverick,

Notice the development there:

1. TRAP question: "asked if I knew how it worked"
2. Falling for the trap with an answer: you execute his task and give him an answer. Once you do that, you're already lost because you executed his task, and give him the power to judge your answer. Since he's a game player, he will most likely judge it poorly and use it to social climb on you
3. Judge the answer as "poor"
4. Fixes the answer with the "real" reason
5. TRAP 2 asking if it's clear: "did you understand"
6. Task: "repeat what I said"

Albeit the most shocking one feels like the last one, the task, as you correctly guessed, this was a whole chain of getting there.

To handle, most of PU techniques apply.

So I'd like to focus more on the timing here.
Because, ideally, the best intervention is always at the very beginning.

I think PU mentions that whenever someone asks questions such as:

• "do you know how..."
• "tell me how this works... "
• "can you guess why... "

You can already smell a possible "teacher frame trap".

But it's worse than a teacher frame because they seek to set you up with a mistake first.

Once you fall for the mistake, you're already checkmated and it's harder to recover.
So the best course of action is to never guess the answer.

There's also a video in the TPM channel of a female reporter asking around at a lottery center if people "know their chance of winning".
That's very similar : she's setting up the teacher frame.
The video says that a good answer is to prevent the set up -and the proposed solution is to say "why, you wanna tell me that the chances are slim to none?"

So here you could reply to your friend after the very first trap question:

Why, do you then wanna go ahead and brag-teach me to showboat you know better?

Then pat him as you say "it's OK, I know you're a smart guy bro".

Hi Lucio,

Thanks for the clear breakdown of the whole power dynamics at play here, I see now that I fell into the whole setup from the first question itself, I thought the first question was merely a benign question asked to avoid coming off as a know it all, I will read the chapter on these kinda moves again. This was a situation easily prevented, by not answering the question like you mention.

Mav

Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on March 7, 2023, 3:05 pm

Cheers Mav, and exactly, when you act at the source of the trouble, everything gets easier.

You reflected on it, understood the dynamics, and all the more power to you.