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Does Seduction University Focus Less on Intermediate Phases of Seduction?

#1 · December 11, 2021, 10:35 am

As a caveat, I may not have understood the whole of Seduction University.
This came to my mind when JP talked about breaking the touch barrier on the other thread.

Here I mean seduction as the events happening between

First point of contact with a person (man/woman) and
Sex/Intimacy

Although Seduction University covers "pre-seduction" like strategies for finding the mates to seduce.

Seduction University seems to focus on

Strategies for sex
Overall leadership & dominance for men
The early phase of seduction: cold approach, getting dates, texting, etc
The late phase of seduction: last-minute resistance

Less on the intermediate phases and milestones of seduction

moving the interaction forward
touching like what JP advised
venue-jumping (when to and when not to as well)
asking to move to a private location
getting physical in a private setting to move towards sex (flat, hotel, beach, etc)
I mean last-minute resistance overlaps with this but, if you have last-minute resistance, that could already be a good thing.

I think there's less emphasis on the act of sex itself too.
I mean there's an article on how to last longer, and previously on oral sex (link broken or too graphic?).
In this area, there are other good resources/websites.

On a note that is unrelated to me practically at the moment, there's a demographic of single/divorced, older (40+) women.
Would it be relevant or useful to study the dating strategies for this demographic?
I recall Lucio briefly mentioned the relationship between Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher.
That's an instance where Demi Moore knew how to date as an older woman.
Maybe for another forum thread.

#2 · December 11, 2021, 11:01 am

Hey Matthew, is it a question or a comment?

If you have feedback on SU, I'm eager to hear.

Some comments on it (straight on the quote and in blue, for simplicity)

Quote from Matthew Whitewood on December 11, 2021, 10:35 am
moving the interaction forward
That's covered in leadership and processes, plus there will be examples in the bonus section.
I'd rather not have a lot of words for what can be shown.
touching like what JP advised
Anything that's not important I'd rather skip it for immediacy and practicality.
One can succeeded with, or without touching, so there is not much added value in saying "you can do either way"
venue-jumping (when to and when not to as well)
In the processes it says either are fine, but it advices on one place or quick coffee/drink and then main place for the date.
I think there's less emphasis on the act of sex itself too.
SU says that sex is important, but that unless sex is really bad it doesn't impact goal-oriented dating as much as other basics do (goal-oriented defined as: having sex, getting a rotation of regular, or getting a GF).
So it focuses on those more important basics. It touces on sex on a few lessons on "how to turn sex into a GF" in the bonus, suggesting slow-sex for seductive environments.
Getting too deep into techqniques would get off topic. But maybe one day a bonus lesson when I'll get someone who specifically focused on that topic.

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#3 · December 11, 2021, 1:46 pm

Quote from Matthew Whitewood on December 11, 2021, 1:46 pm
I wanted to frame this as "This is my impression of Seduction University. What's your view?"
I framed it overall as a question (the title).
Then, I proceeded to give the context to my own question from what I know.
In a way, that's the comment part.
My intention is to give talking points and more context.
So thanks a lot for helping me to understand what the various aspects of Seduction University are.
I think there's less emphasis on the act of sex itself too.
SU says that sex is important, but that unless sex is really bad it doesn't impact goal-oriented dating as much as other basics do (goal-oriented defined as: having sex, getting a rotation of regular, or getting a GF).
So it focuses on those more important basics. It touces on sex on a few lessons on "how to turn sex into a GF" in the bonus, suggesting slow-sex for seductive environments.
Getting too deep into techqniques would get off topic. But maybe one day a bonus lesson when I'll get someone who specifically focused on that topic.
Thanks for helping me to understand that Seduction University is about goal-oriented dating.
One of my personal "goals" is to increase pleasure in the dating process.
This is why I throw sex inside as well.
Like I mentioned above, there're other resources for this like School of Squirt, etc.
I can see how this is not really a "goal" :).
Quote from Matthew Whitewood on December 11, 2021, 10:35 am
Strategies for sex
Overall leadership & dominance for men
The early phase of seduction: cold approach, getting dates, texting, etc
The late phase of seduction: last-minute resistance
Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on December 11, 2021, 11:01 am
moving the interaction forward
That's covered in leadership and processes, plus there will be examples in the bonus section.
I'd rather not have a lot of words for what can be shown.
touching like what JP advised
Anything that's not important I'd rather skip it for immediacy and practicality.
One can succeeded with, or without touching, so there is not much added value in saying "you can do either way"
venue-jumping (when to and when not to as well)
In the processes it says either are fine, but it advices on one place or quick coffee/drink and then main place for the date.
So maybe I need to wait for the bonuses :).
Or possibly contribute to it.
I probably wasn't very clear here.
I did come across what you mentioned which is why I put the bullet points as my impression of the focus of Seduction University.
As such, the points I mentioned about
strategies for sex that you kindly elaborated on above and also
leadership & dominance that you also mentioned
For the processes, I read the section on Dating.
You also talked about shit-tests in a section.
I feel that those processes/strategies are relatively high-level.
I feel that there could be a "situational, tactical" level.
Let's take the venue point as an example.
Quoting from Dating, 1. One Date,
But it’s a good option to fall back onto if you invite her and she says “no”, in which case you can propose another place, or if for whatever reason another step is needed
When she says "no" for example, one could
Continue the conversation focusing on so and so.
You mention the techniques in the Dating Techniques segment.
Walk & talk.
Bounce to an intermediate venue.
Move her around within the venue (venue within the venue).
go to the bar, move a noisy place to less noisy place, etc.
For the leadership & dominance section, I feel it's strategic while dipping into the tactical, actionable level.
Again, this is my impression and this topic was sparked from the convo with JP.
It was something that naturally came to my mind so I decided to write this down before I forget.

I wanted to frame this as "This is my impression of Seduction University. What's your view?"

I framed it overall as a question (the title).
Then, I proceeded to give the context to my own question from what I know.
In a way, that's the comment part.
My intention is to give talking points and more context.

So thanks a lot for helping me to understand what the various aspects of Seduction University are.

I think there's less emphasis on the act of sex itself too.
SU says that sex is important, but that unless sex is really bad it doesn't impact goal-oriented dating as much as other basics do (goal-oriented defined as: having sex, getting a rotation of regular, or getting a GF).
So it focuses on those more important basics. It touces on sex on a few lessons on "how to turn sex into a GF" in the bonus, suggesting slow-sex for seductive environments.
Getting too deep into techqniques would get off topic. But maybe one day a bonus lesson when I'll get someone who specifically focused on that topic.

Thanks for helping me to understand that Seduction University is about goal-oriented dating.
One of my personal "goals" is to increase pleasure in the dating process.
This is why I throw sex inside as well.
Like I mentioned above, there're other resources for this like School of Squirt, etc.
I can see how this is not really a "goal" :).

Quote from Matthew Whitewood on December 11, 2021, 10:35 am
Strategies for sex
Overall leadership & dominance for men
The early phase of seduction: cold approach, getting dates, texting, etc
The late phase of seduction: last-minute resistance
Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on December 11, 2021, 11:01 am
moving the interaction forward
That's covered in leadership and processes, plus there will be examples in the bonus section.
I'd rather not have a lot of words for what can be shown.
touching like what JP advised
Anything that's not important I'd rather skip it for immediacy and practicality.
One can succeeded with, or without touching, so there is not much added value in saying "you can do either way"
venue-jumping (when to and when not to as well)
In the processes it says either are fine, but it advices on one place or quick coffee/drink and then main place for the date.

So maybe I need to wait for the bonuses :).
Or possibly contribute to it.

I probably wasn't very clear here.
I did come across what you mentioned which is why I put the bullet points as my impression of the focus of Seduction University.
As such, the points I mentioned about

strategies for sex that you kindly elaborated on above and also
leadership & dominance that you also mentioned

For the processes, I read the section on Dating.
You also talked about shit-tests in a section.
I feel that those processes/strategies are relatively high-level.

I feel that there could be a "situational, tactical" level.
Let's take the venue point as an example.
Quoting from Dating, 1. One Date,

But it’s a good option to fall back onto if you invite her and she says “no”, in which case you can propose another place, or if for whatever reason another step is needed

When she says "no" for example, one could

Continue the conversation focusing on so and so.
You mention the techniques in the Dating Techniques segment.
Walk & talk.
Bounce to an intermediate venue.
Move her around within the venue (venue within the venue).
go to the bar, move a noisy place to less noisy place, etc.

For the leadership & dominance section, I feel it's strategic while dipping into the tactical, actionable level.

Again, this is my impression and this topic was sparked from the convo with JP.
It was something that naturally came to my mind so I decided to write this down before I forget.

#4 · December 20, 2021, 4:42 pm

I managed to get a better feeling of why the "intermediate" section of seduction is harder to understand in the course.
I wouldn't say it's Seduction University.
All dating courses would have this issue including the System by Todd.
It's not easy to describe without infields.

I think that building the intuition

to detect which part of the seduction process
signs, indicators, etc.
of when to move forward in the process
of when to move backwards in the process
(maybe you made the girl feel uncomfortable and need to "step" back)

is challenging for all learners.

The opening is relatively easier to describe and understand.
Because well, I think even beginners know when it's an opening.

In a way, Power University is easier to understand.
I can isolate certain remarks and interactions to get a feel of how those changes the dynamics.

I was thinking stringing together key moments across infields could be as valuable as explaining infields from start to end.

I recall there are YouTube videos on openers.
Not so much for moments of hook points, vibing, moving the woman.