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Fractionation Seduction: does it work?

#1 · June 7, 2020, 4:06 pm

I read about this nlp technique of fractionation applied to dating and seduction.

It is basically repeating cycles of

Positive/ Negative topics

Past/ present/ future topics

To invoke emotions and build attraction.

However, I only know one cartoon example

The scene from batman animated series where "joker speaks to the doctor who later became harley Quinn"

What could be some more good examples?

#2 · June 8, 2020, 6:20 am

Hello A,

Yes, emotional up and downs are emotionally addictive.

And many confuse that addiction for "love".

You can see plenty of relationship examples in the article on the anxious-avoidant trap.

I haven't seen any study of the same technique applied to seduction, but I personally believe it can (mildly) effective.
However, the question becomes: "how effective".

It's one thing to have up and downs with someone you are already in a relationship with, and already heavily emotionally invested.

Much different is with some random guy or girl.
Those up and downs are far milder.
And it's also a question mark how far up and down you can bring anyone simply with positive and negative topics.
Personally, I don't think that alternating positive and negative topics is an effective seduction strategy.

Much better to let the negative ones pan out by themselves without squashing them, and aim at having more positive than negatives, by being an uplifting person.

P.S.: do you have a link to that Batman scene?

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#3 · June 8, 2020, 2:53 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZf7XhlKls

Just so that you are not dissapointed at your student.

If this were any one else i would have replied with just "Yes"

But since I have learn't this art from you i am obliged to operate under your frame.

#4 · June 8, 2020, 5:07 pm

Quote from JP on June 8, 2020, 5:07 pm
Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on June 8, 2020, 6:20 am
Hello A,
Yes, emotional up and downs are emotionally addictive.
And many confuse that addiction for "love".
You can see plenty of relationship examples in the article on the anxious-avoidant trap.
I haven't seen any study of the same technique applied to seduction, but I personally believe it can (mildly) effective.
However, the question becomes: "how effective".
It's one thing to have up and downs with someone you are already in a relationship with, and already heavily emotionally invested.
Much different is with some random guy or girl.
Those up and downs are far milder.
And it's also a question mark how far up and down you can bring anyone simply with positive and negative topics.
Personally, I don't think that alternating positive and negative topics is an effective seduction strategy.
Much better to let the negative ones pan out by themselves without squashing them, and aim at having more positive than negatives, by being an uplifting person.
P.S.: do you have a link to that Batman scene?

In my experience, I've done this unintentionally with girls who are in my group of friends (usually they are a friend of a friend or a girlfriend of a friend) because I can be quite opinionated as you can probably already see. I find that even though their initial impression of me was negative, once they are around me long enough, eventually we are bound to agree on something which "sparks" the attraction.
She'll usually stare at me more, stand closer to me, and/or touch me while trying to talk to me more. All of which she previously did not do. So my theory is that, if the girl is someone you'll encounter on a regular basis even if she doesn't really like you, it's ok to do things that upset her occasionally.
This is compared to most men's strategy of "befriending her" and being nice to her, which will put you in the friend zone as I've seen many times. I'm not saying that you should go out of your way to put her on an emotional rollercoaster, because women are able to sense that you're putting on an act and it also requires effort on your part. I'm saying that you should just "be yourself" since you're not really putting effort in being yourself, it is the better and more effective option. This is barring people who hold extremist views of course (unless all the people you hang out with are extremists too).

Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on June 8, 2020, 6:20 am
Hello A,
Yes, emotional up and downs are emotionally addictive.
And many confuse that addiction for "love".
You can see plenty of relationship examples in the article on the anxious-avoidant trap.
I haven't seen any study of the same technique applied to seduction, but I personally believe it can (mildly) effective.
However, the question becomes: "how effective".
It's one thing to have up and downs with someone you are already in a relationship with, and already heavily emotionally invested.
Much different is with some random guy or girl.
Those up and downs are far milder.
And it's also a question mark how far up and down you can bring anyone simply with positive and negative topics.
Personally, I don't think that alternating positive and negative topics is an effective seduction strategy.
Much better to let the negative ones pan out by themselves without squashing them, and aim at having more positive than negatives, by being an uplifting person.
P.S.: do you have a link to that Batman scene?

In my experience, I've done this unintentionally with girls who are in my group of friends (usually they are a friend of a friend or a girlfriend of a friend) because I can be quite opinionated as you can probably already see. I find that even though their initial impression of me was negative, once they are around me long enough, eventually we are bound to agree on something which "sparks" the attraction.

She'll usually stare at me more, stand closer to me, and/or touch me while trying to talk to me more. All of which she previously did not do. So my theory is that, if the girl is someone you'll encounter on a regular basis even if she doesn't really like you, it's ok to do things that upset her occasionally.

This is compared to most men's strategy of "befriending her" and being nice to her, which will put you in the friend zone as I've seen many times. I'm not saying that you should go out of your way to put her on an emotional rollercoaster, because women are able to sense that you're putting on an act and it also requires effort on your part. I'm saying that you should just "be yourself" since you're not really putting effort in being yourself, it is the better and more effective option. This is barring people who hold extremist views of course (unless all the people you hang out with are extremists too).

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#5 · June 9, 2020, 6:02 am

Yeah, that works indeed, JP.

It's because you set yourself up as a straight shooter who speaks his mind.
And if you are difficult to please, you also come across as having high standards.

Then, when you agree with someone, people think "oh wow, if he likes what I said, with his high standards and with his direct ways, then it really means something".

The fractionation technique ALS originally asked about is a bit different, though.
While what you're describing is "direct and generally difficult to please, but also honest when she does/says something good", the fractionation of ALS is more about topics you talk about (rather than personal judgments of approval/disapproval on what people said/do).

In your case, you are taking a judge role on people -very powerful-.
On the fractionation as ALS presented, and as it shows in the Joker video, you're not (not directly, at least).

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