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#1 · May 31, 2021, 6:21 am

I think this girl is good at explaining her condition...

I suppose even a sadist can be good if he decides to not indulge in his sadistic tendencies again the innocent...

#2 · June 1, 2021, 7:48 am

#3 · June 1, 2021, 10:37 am

Quote from Stef on May 31, 2021, 6:21 am

I suppose even a sadist can be good if he decides to not indulge in his sadistic tendencies again the innocent...

Absolutely.

Same as for pedophiles.

Being born a pedophile is nothing they have chosen.

Plenty of people who are attracted to children are born that way, but don't actualize that attraction.

For those who refrain from the antisocial and highly harmful urges and drives, much respect.

At the same time, would you willingly decide to live, or have a relationship, with a sadist or a sociopath, knowing that you should trust their word, and that from a population-level perspective you might be at higher risk of personal harm?
After all, what they say isn't necessarily who they are, and what they will do.

Of course, it's the same for neurotypicals, but this trend of putting everyone on the same level is not something I'm very fond of.
Empathy does help to reduce interpersonal harm and it does increase the odds of pro-social behavior.
People very high in empathy and people very low in Machiavellianism are less likely to run away with all you have.

And in the same vein, would you willingly let a pedophile babysit your children, even though he swears he won't do anything bad?

The thing is, unluckily, from a strategic and risk-avoidance perspective, it does make sense for the individual to make some individual-impacting decisions based on the group of belonging when you don't have the full information about the individual.

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#4 · June 2, 2021, 1:17 am

Quote from Stef on June 2, 2021, 1:17 am
At the same time, would you willingly decide to live, or have a relationship, with a sadist or a sociopath, knowing that you should trust their word, and that from a population-level perspective you might be at higher risk of personal harm?
After all, what they say isn't necessarily who they are, and what they will do.

Exactly, and the fact that they are sadists or sociopaths probably makes it easier for them to be lying, selectively honest or less than honest, at the same time, why would they let you know they have those tendencies? only if they are playing convoluted mind games as in "pretend to be honest or transparent in one aspect to make the victim lower his guard in others" (but that is a very high risk tactic for them as many people would just be extremely suspicous) usually I think they will not advance that kind of information about themselves.

Anyways I would probably avoid a close-relationship with people with those tendencies, and I would find ways to test their self control and their willingness to exert that self-control if I am planning to keep them as acquaintances (unless like if as Don Corleone I need a Luca Brassi or something, and I would know I would be playing with fire).

And in the same vein, would you willingly let a pedophile babysit your children, even though he swears he won't do anything bad?

I think a pedophile that has choosen not to act on his sexual urges would not even want to be that close to children, much less alone with them and stuff like that, that would only make his own commitment harder to mantain.

So I would be very wary of a declared pedophile wanting to be left alone with children (not gonna let that happen).

Even if he would not rape or abuse the child, the idea of him thinking sexual stuff in his mind with my child makes me pretty uncomfortable.

A more interesting question: would you guys let a declared pedophile interact, under other responsible adults supervision, with your children, give him/her a hugh (in a non-sexual way obviously).

I supposed some pedophiles really de love children in the sense they want the child to be happy, and if they also believes sex with adults is bad for children (or risky), they will never (or not under most normal circumstances) engage in sex with a child.

The problem are the ones that do not give a fuck about the child well-being, or for some reasson believes there is no problem (or that it is a net benefit) for children to have sex with adults (or with them).

At the same time, would you willingly decide to live, or have a relationship, with a sadist or a sociopath, knowing that you should trust their word, and that from a population-level perspective you might be at higher risk of personal harm?
After all, what they say isn't necessarily who they are, and what they will do.

Exactly, and the fact that they are sadists or sociopaths probably makes it easier for them to be lying, selectively honest or less than honest, at the same time, why would they let you know they have those tendencies? only if they are playing convoluted mind games as in "pretend to be honest or transparent in one aspect to make the victim lower his guard in others" (but that is a very high risk tactic for them as many people would just be extremely suspicous) usually I think they will not advance that kind of information about themselves.

Anyways I would probably avoid a close-relationship with people with those tendencies, and I would find ways to test their self control and their willingness to exert that self-control if I am planning to keep them as acquaintances (unless like if as Don Corleone I need a Luca Brassi or something, and I would know I would be playing with fire).

And in the same vein, would you willingly let a pedophile babysit your children, even though he swears he won't do anything bad?

I think a pedophile that has choosen not to act on his sexual urges would not even want to be that close to children, much less alone with them and stuff like that, that would only make his own commitment harder to mantain.

So I would be very wary of a declared pedophile wanting to be left alone with children (not gonna let that happen).

Even if he would not rape or abuse the child, the idea of him thinking sexual stuff in his mind with my child makes me pretty uncomfortable.

A more interesting question: would you guys let a declared pedophile interact, under other responsible adults supervision, with your children, give him/her a hugh (in a non-sexual way obviously).

I supposed some pedophiles really de love children in the sense they want the child to be happy, and if they also believes sex with adults is bad for children (or risky), they will never (or not under most normal circumstances) engage in sex with a child.

The problem are the ones that do not give a fuck about the child well-being, or for some reasson believes there is no problem (or that it is a net benefit) for children to have sex with adults (or with them).

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#5 · June 2, 2021, 8:48 am

Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on June 2, 2021, 8:48 am

Quote from Stef on June 2, 2021, 1:17 aa

So I would be very wary of a declared pedophile wanting to be left alone with children (not gonna let that happen).

Even if he would not rape or abuse the child, the idea of him thinking sexual stuff in his mind with my child makes me pretty uncomfortable.

A more interesting question: would you guys let a declared pedophile interact, under other responsible adults supervision, with your children, give him/her a hugh (in a non-sexual way obviously).

I supposed some pedophiles really de love children in the sense they want the child to be happy, and if they also believes sex with adults is bad for children (or risky), they will never (or not under most normal circumstances) engage in sex with a child.

The problem are the ones that do not give a fuck about the child well-being, or for some reasson believes there is no problem (or that it is a net benefit) for children to have sex with adults (or with them).

Yeah, or they might take some strange pictures of left alone, or display some weird behavior/conversation.

Quote from Stef on June 2, 2021, 1:17 aa

Would you guys let a declared pedophile interact, under other responsible adults supervision, with your children, give him/her a hugh (in a non-sexual way obviously).

I supposed some pedophiles really de love children in the sense they want the child to be happy, and if they also believes sex with adults is bad for children (or risky), they will never (or not under most normal circumstances) engage in sex with a child.

The problem are the ones that do not give a fuck about the child well-being, or for some reasson believes there is no problem (or that it is a net benefit) for children to have sex with adults (or with them).

Yeah, atypical but a very interesting question.

From a neutral and objective point of view, I suppose it's not any different than letting your friends interact or hug your girlfriend -or BF for women-.

Your friends are potentially attracted to your girlfriend and could potentially have sex with her.
Yet, it's considered jealous-paranoid and controlling to stop a girlfriend from interacting with other men.

Quote from Stef on June 2, 2021, 1:17 aa

So I would be very wary of a declared pedophile wanting to be left alone with children (not gonna let that happen).

Even if he would not rape or abuse the child, the idea of him thinking sexual stuff in his mind with my child makes me pretty uncomfortable.

A more interesting question: would you guys let a declared pedophile interact, under other responsible adults supervision, with your children, give him/her a hugh (in a non-sexual way obviously).

I supposed some pedophiles really de love children in the sense they want the child to be happy, and if they also believes sex with adults is bad for children (or risky), they will never (or not under most normal circumstances) engage in sex with a child.

The problem are the ones that do not give a fuck about the child well-being, or for some reasson believes there is no problem (or that it is a net benefit) for children to have sex with adults (or with them).

Yeah, or they might take some strange pictures of left alone, or display some weird behavior/conversation.

Quote from Stef on June 2, 2021, 1:17 aa

Would you guys let a declared pedophile interact, under other responsible adults supervision, with your children, give him/her a hugh (in a non-sexual way obviously).

I supposed some pedophiles really de love children in the sense they want the child to be happy, and if they also believes sex with adults is bad for children (or risky), they will never (or not under most normal circumstances) engage in sex with a child.

The problem are the ones that do not give a fuck about the child well-being, or for some reasson believes there is no problem (or that it is a net benefit) for children to have sex with adults (or with them).

Yeah, atypical but a very interesting question.

From a neutral and objective point of view, I suppose it's not any different than letting your friends interact or hug your girlfriend -or BF for women-.

Your friends are potentially attracted to your girlfriend and could potentially have sex with her.
Yet, it's considered jealous-paranoid and controlling to stop a girlfriend from interacting with other men.

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#6 · June 5, 2021, 11:54 pm

Well those tatoos were signaling something for sure...

This cases are not too useful for the purposes of our comunity (so I will not continue to upload similar stuff here), this kind of people destroy lives and more so their own lives, they are going nowhere...

Just to understand a little better the functioning of the mind of a declared sadist for self-defense purposes, and be careful, most of them will not necesariously look dangerous, suspicious or talk openly about their tendencies.

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#7 · June 6, 2021, 5:02 am

Yeah, that face was a big red signal all in itself.

A case where "stereotype" proves useful.

What a coincidence BTW, I just had that video in my feed a few days ago.

You also follow that channel Stef?

I recently stumbled upon it, I think the host there is really good.

I'll comment more after I watch the video.
But albeit rare exceptions, I think it's still useful to know they exist -and maybe knowing some signs how to spot them, albeit the general category "value taker" and all signs of value takers should provide useful-.

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#8 · June 6, 2021, 10:34 pm

Yeah I used to be suscribed to his channel, I canceled it just because I needed to declutter, I still think the content is very solid and informative, and from time to time I will go manually check on it.