Seduction University feed-back
Hello Lucio,
as you asked for feed-back on SU, I'm happy to give some. 🙂
In the lesson 5 power levers, you write definition at the beginning for all but "chasing" and "qualifying". That would help me to understand better the concepts as I see there is some overlap between chasing and investing, so it would help me to understand better the difference.
In the first chapter, I have the same remark, I did not find any definition of "Seduction". For me, until now, seduction is the process of getting a woman to bed. Are we talking about the same thing?
As I said in another thread this product is golden. 🙂
Thank you so much, John, super helpful!
And yes, those are great points, both in the definition and the unfortunate confusion between "having sex with" and "seducing".
The basic idea is that albeit seduction can and often involves sleeping together, it must not always and necessarily include so, and when it does, it also adds a layer of (emotional) attachment such as devotion, love, looking up to, needing, etc. etc.
That comes more into its own in the bonus modules, as the first modules indeed are more about dating effectively / sleeping with.
P.S.:
Would you be cool to move this into the public area of the forum?
I'm personally cool being it there even if any strong criticism or feedback comes up, but feel free to say no.
Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on June 13, 2022, 7:43 amThank you so much, John, super helpful!
And yes, those are great points, both in the definition and the unfortunate confusion between "having sex with" and "seducing".
The basic idea is that albeit seduction can and often involves sleeping together, it must not always and necessarily include so, and when it does, it also adds a layer of (emotional) attachment such as devotion, love, looking up to, needing, etc. etc.
That comes more into its own in the bonus modules, as the first modules indeed are more about dating effectively / sleeping with.
Alright. Thanks for the clarification!
P.S.:
Would you be cool to move this into the public area of the forum?
I'm personally cool being it there even if any strong criticism or feedback comes up, but feel free to say no.
Yep!
I found no thread with questions about SU so I’m asking it here. I think I don’t spill value out of it by doing so. If there is a better place for these questions please let me know.
In the lesson about assholes you’re talking about virtue signaling. Isn’t your behavior with the trashcan also virtue signaling? Since you’re indirectly shaming the people for this behavior.
Great point, John.
Yeah, I guess that's also a form of virtue signaling.
Ties back to something I've often thought: if a behavior is widespread in the population, chances that it's because, at least in certain situations and for certain people, it worked (incidentally, one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of the many dating coaches bashing courtship as a dating strategy, or Kahnemann's work that frames human cognitive shortcuts as "biases"/mistakes when in fact they often serve a good function).
I'd have to think more deeply on this.
But at first, I think that what, how and with whom you virtue-signal about matters a lot.
That girl cared about sustainability, for example (was a vegeterian).
The power move was well-motivated: most sensible people who care to live in a good environment don't think well of those who throw trash on the floor (as opposed to the stereotypical virtue-signaling that attacks others for things you'd do yourself).
Come to think of it, that might be a crucial difference: weak virtue-signaling makes monsters out of normal people for things that the virtue-signalers might do themselves.
Higher-value virtue-signaling frames as idiots people that both you and the target girl do agree are idiots (and doing idiotic things that you wouldn't do).
So it's both more honest, and better well-founded.
It makes sense. Maybe it also has to do with the emotions behind it.
You were genuinely angry. When people virtue-signal (it’s common at the hospital since we have the role of advising people) there is a feeling of self-pride, of superiority.
Here it was maybe also coming from a sense of ownership. We don’t clean what we think is not ours to clean. So we signal that this is OUR environment and we like it clean. It’s like when you start to clean at your job vs not cleaning AKA no sense of ownership (« I just work here »).
So in this example maybe there is a territorial component. I don’t know it’s subtle here.
As you said it’s a lot about the given circumstances. And also why you do it.