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Dolly Parton

What a woman.

Feminine, GF and wife-material, classy and... Power-aware to.

She never directly attacks this nasty interviewer, but everyone comes out of it thinking "Dolly is awesome" and "the interviewer is a nasty woman".

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Aw. look at Barbara trying to tear Dolly down, bless her heart.

What a Steel Magnolia. They really made them different back then.

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Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on January 3, 2021, 11:34 pm

This interesting:

Does being good at fighting / working as a fighter add value for a woman, or potentially decreases it?

I'm curious to hear from other men here as well.

Thoughts?

I myself have no problem dating female fighters. I did so. The problem is that I started dating women in my martial art only after I got to the higher degrees - not because I wasn't interested, but because of the overall female tendency to hypergamy and wanting to date higher status/stronger/etc. In 20 years of karate, I've never seen a woman dating someone who was bellow her degree. Low degrees would date people from outside the scene - but then we are talking about women whose "skills" are yet not fully developped and couldn't match the average men in a fight. But if she's highly trained, it also means that martial arts are a big part of her life and the people she looks up to are usually also highly trained athletes.

I think a female athlete is positioning herself in a market. There is nothing bad in this per se. I think John is right when he says that many men could be insecure about dating a highly trained fighter. A man has a lot to lose socially if he gets beaten by his wife - or even "rescued" by his wife if he was being beaten by others  Also, would she respect this man?

https://youtu.be/qghUt4HLXqs?t=5764

So I believe many men would self-reject. But then we are talking about average men. She still can date a lot of high value men who are confident (plenty of exemples in this thread ;)) and recognize her qualities. Even if we are talking about confidence only in physical strength, she still can date lots of athletes (not necessarily fighters), and men who prize physical fitness usually want the same in their women. And there are a lot more men then women who are athletes. The gender ratio would still be favorable to her.

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Quote from Kavalier on December 22, 2021, 3:50 am a

The problem is that I started dating women in my martial art only after I got to the higher degrees - not because I wasn't interested, but because of the overall female tendency to hypergamy and wanting to date higher status/stronger/etc.

In 20 years of karate, I've never seen a woman dating someone who was bellow her degree. Low degrees would date people from outside the scene - but then we are talking about women whose "skills" are yet not fully developped and couldn't match the average men in a fight. But if she's highly trained, it also means that martial arts are a big part of her life and the people she looks up to are usually also highly trained athletes.

I think a female athlete is positioning herself in a market. There is nothing bad in this per se. I think John is right when he says that many men could be insecure about dating a highly trained fighter. A man has a lot to lose socially if he gets beaten by his wife - or even "rescued" by his wife if he was being beaten by others  Also, would she respect this man?

https://youtu.be/qghUt4HLXqs?t=5764

So I believe many men would self-reject. But then we are talking about average men. She still can date a lot of high value men who are confident (plenty of exemples in this thread ;)) and recognize her qualities. Even if we are talking about confidence only in physical strength, she still can date lots of athletes (not necessarily fighters), and men who prize physical fitness usually want the same in their women. And there are a lot more men then women who are athletes. The gender ratio would still be favorable to her.

Great message and observations Kavalier, that makes a lot of sense.

Thank you for sharing.

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Agree, Kavalier s on the money .  The ladies at the dojo I trained at didn't lack for attention.  They had spotted their wave and were right in the pipe. They were very standoffish with the lower grades.   You also had to be very gentle with them in sparring or several of the really tough black belts would beat the crap out of you in the next round.  Our dojo was a bit fight club full of bouncers, kickboxers, ex military so you didn't want that.

The only truly deadly female i ever encountered who could have taken me in a couple of seconds was Paula Inosanto.  She was exactly like her husband humble and always lifting people up.  But the alpha pattern again plays out she was married to the head of the style.

BTW the video was hilarious.  Wouldn't happen to anyone who knew how to fight or play fight.  He s got another arm.  And you should never match strength with strength.

Guy needs a half hour Kali or Silat lesson.  See e.g. here at 0:36

Of course all the old cultures know how.  The Chinese had classes on women moving.   I ll leave that one for your own research.

 

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Quote from Transitioned on December 22, 2021, 7:15 am

Agree, Kavalier s on the money .  The ladies at the dojo I trained at didn't lack for attention.  They had spotted their wave and were right in the pipe. They were very standoffish with the lower grades.   You also had to be very gentle with them in sparring or several of the really tough black belts would beat the crap out of you in the next round.  Our dojo was a bit fight club full of bouncers, kickboxers, ex military so you didn't want that.

The only truly deadly female i ever encountered who could have taken me in a couple of seconds was Paula Inosanto.  She was exactly like her husband humble and always lifting people up.  But the alpha pattern again plays out she was married to the head of the style.

BTW the video was hilarious.  Wouldn't happen to anyone who knew how to fight or play fight.  He s got another arm.  And you should never match strength with strength.

Guy needs a half hour Kali or Silat lesson.  See e.g. here at 0:36

Of course all the old cultures know how.  The Chinese had classes on women moving.   I ll leave that one for your own research.

 

LOL yes exactly, Transitioned. I also guess that beating the crap out of guys who weren't gentle with them didn't hurt their chances with those females - that would make for quite an impression.

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Kali and Silat are great! I have a taste for traditional martial arts. Hope I'll have the chance try them one day!

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Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on January 6, 2021, 5:53 pm

Any other guys sharing some honest opinion on this?

@transitioned , @aliscarlett , @bucktickrammstein18 : a woman who's a professional fighter. Does she lose some points in the dating arena for you, does she gain some, or you don't care?

Potentially dating an accomplished fighter would also be an opportunity for me to work on my own security in my own masculinity. If she's hot, intelligent, kind, sophisticated, interesting, funny, warm and feminine... but just happens to beat other women to a pulp for a living... then why would I know want to date her?

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Rachael Denhollander

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She was one of the child rape victims of Olympians' gymnast doctor Larry Nassar.

When she grew up, she became a lawyer.

But she didn't attack Nassar immediately.

Instead, she strategized properly.

She assessed that one single woman wouldn't be enough, and she needed more momentum to topple a doctor with status, credibility, and power.

So, she waited for the right moment while she started building her case.
She collected evidence and chronicled her story in a diary, including her exchanges with her therapist.

And when the time was ripe for an attack, she was the first to come forward, then spread the news to the newspaper, counting on the fact that more women would follow her.
She strategized well.
Rachael became the catalyst of dozens and then hundreds of other women to speak up -and then the case was a slam dunk, and her "revenge" complete-.

Up until here, it would already be impressive.

Then she'd walk on that courtroom and destroy him, right... ?

Well, nope.

Her testimony was the opposite of what you'd expect.

You'd have expected her to be seething, or basking in her revenge.
Instead, she was passionate, but composed.

Her testimony was less about her, and more about the other victims.

And to come full arch, she ended up extending her compassion to Larry as well, the child rapist.

There is something incredible about the story.
First painstakingly work to collect evidence and bring him down, doing so without being possessed by rage, to bring him to justice and help all other victims.... And while also extending him forgiveness.

Plus her composure on her stand, truly incredible:

The last part of her testimony:

Rachel: I pray that you experience the soul-crushing weight of guilt, so that you may some day experience true repentance and true forgiveness from God, which you need far more than from me, though I extend that to you as well

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This is next level in character development and strategizing. Putting him in his proper place: prison.

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Quote from John Freeman on July 2, 2022, 5:08 pm

This is next level in character development and strategizing. Putting him in his proper place: prison.

Yep, and seems also a "good" person -not in the naive sense, but in the sense of strong ethics and morals-.

Total package.

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