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#11 · March 26, 2021, 8:39 am

Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on March 22, 2021, 5:24 pm
You make a great point, selffoe.
In my answer, I was seeking to address the root causes of why many men ask if "serious girls exist".
And the root cause is that some men expect faithfulness no matter what.
And in my opinion, that is a bad approach since it shifts the focus on demanding only, without considering what you can do -and should also do-.

I am curious about your thoughts on "spinning plates". From what I read (if correctly) you support a part of the red pill thinking and disagree with the other part of red pill.

For example, TRP claims that::

-Many women consistently spin plates for both lovers and providers. Women make the plate information open to alphas, but hide the information against betas, such that the beta will believe that he is the special one.

-Many woman who already has an alpha boyfriend might still spin plate for providers, if the alpha is not committed or not providing.

Is it true? I am not sure if you already have articles on this.

#12 · March 26, 2021, 9:30 am

What is "spinning plates"?

#13 · March 26, 2021, 9:39 am

Quote from John Freeman on March 26, 2021, 9:30 am
What is "spinning plates"?

Being non-serious. Keep close communication with many suitable males.

Society usually believes that spinning plates is ethical when someone is not yet committed. Those there are many cultures where you are not ethical if you date too many people at the same time.

Just my understandings.

#14 · July 3, 2023, 5:19 pm

Quote from Illystorm on July 3, 2023, 5:19 pm
Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on October 14, 2020, 10:38 am
Quote from Stef on October 14, 2020, 10:01 am
"this may be useful as a tactical assumption for purposes of maximixing seduction results (like assuming attraction), yet as anything is a big generalization, even if most women are silly and cute, at least some of them may be dangerous and powerful and you should be looking to recognize those (and some may be serious and capable leaders), and others may even be smart and ugly or whatever..."
Great, great comment, Stef.
As a matter of fact, it might deserve its own thread, since it's just a widespread mantra in the PUA world, but I've always felt it was mostly a crutch to make men feel more confident.
I wrote about in some articles:
It works like this:
I’m afraid of approaching a girl, but I tell myself she’s just cute and funny maybe it’s easier.
It will hurt if I get rejected, but if I tell myself girls are silly then it’s better
I feel inferior so I tell myself that girls are below me to make me feel better
But hey, if “girls are silly and cute” can help you for a while, that’s all good.
But I don’t think it really helps you much.
It’s because it seeks to address the consequences of the issues instead of fixing the root causes.

I'm sorry if I unearth an old post but I find this topic quite interesting and I'd like to chime in, if it's not a problem.
The analysis on the "girls are silly and cute" that has been already done (about when it's helpful to think like this VS when not) is quite precise and I have nothing to add about it.
I just think that, to mention Nietzsche, thinking that girls are silly and cute could be seen as a form of slave morality (or slave-style thinking, since it's not about morality). Whereas being able to fix the root causes and manage to get to a point where girls don't act cold, aloof, superior or rude to a man is a for of master-morality (thinking), since the man has managed to effectively upgrade himself.
That being said, Nietzsche said that slave-style thinking has its use, and that's when someone doesn't believe that he can achieve master-style thinking on that matter. So yeah, this mindset surely makes men more confident although some of them would be stuck staying turkeys if they adopted such mindset in all cases.
And some men are ok with that, mostly MGTOW and PUAs since they just don't care much about women. (as opposed to incels, who straight out hate them and see them as the opposite of silly and cute... or eagles, who are able to deal with high-value / power women without being merely seductors, and seeing them as actual human beings)

Quote from Lucio Buffalmano on October 14, 2020, 10:38 am
Quote from Stef on October 14, 2020, 10:01 am
"this may be useful as a tactical assumption for purposes of maximixing seduction results (like assuming attraction), yet as anything is a big generalization, even if most women are silly and cute, at least some of them may be dangerous and powerful and you should be looking to recognize those (and some may be serious and capable leaders), and others may even be smart and ugly or whatever..."
Great, great comment, Stef.
As a matter of fact, it might deserve its own thread, since it's just a widespread mantra in the PUA world, but I've always felt it was mostly a crutch to make men feel more confident.
I wrote about in some articles:
It works like this:
I’m afraid of approaching a girl, but I tell myself she’s just cute and funny maybe it’s easier.
It will hurt if I get rejected, but if I tell myself girls are silly then it’s better
I feel inferior so I tell myself that girls are below me to make me feel better
But hey, if “girls are silly and cute” can help you for a while, that’s all good.
But I don’t think it really helps you much.
It’s because it seeks to address the consequences of the issues instead of fixing the root causes.

I'm sorry if I unearth an old post but I find this topic quite interesting and I'd like to chime in, if it's not a problem.

The analysis on the "girls are silly and cute" that has been already done (about when it's helpful to think like this VS when not) is quite precise and I have nothing to add about it.

I just think that, to mention Nietzsche, thinking that girls are silly and cute could be seen as a form of slave morality (or slave-style thinking, since it's not about morality). Whereas being able to fix the root causes and manage to get to a point where girls don't act cold, aloof, superior or rude to a man is a for of master-morality (thinking), since the man has managed to effectively upgrade himself.

That being said, Nietzsche said that slave-style thinking has its use, and that's when someone doesn't believe that he can achieve master-style thinking on that matter. So yeah, this mindset surely makes men more confident although some of them would be stuck staying turkeys if they adopted such mindset in all cases.

And some men are ok with that, mostly MGTOW and PUAs since they just don't care much about women. (as opposed to incels, who straight out hate them and see them as the opposite of silly and cute... or eagles, who are able to deal with high-value / power women without being merely seductors, and seeing them as actual human beings)

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#15 · July 3, 2023, 7:44 pm

Quote from Illystorm on July 3, 2023, 5:19 pm
s'm sorry if I unearth an old post but I find this topic quite interesting and I'd like to chime in, if it's not a problem.
The analysis on the "girls are silly and cute" that has been already done (about when it's helpful to think like this VS when not) is quite precise and I have nothing to add about it.
I just think that, to mention Nietzsche, thinking that girls are silly and cute could be seen as a form of slave morality (or slave-style thinking, since it's not about morality). Whereas being able to fix the root causes and manage to get to a point where girls don't act cold, aloof, superior or rude to a man is a for of master-morality (thinking), since the man has managed to effectively upgrade himself.
That being said, Nietzsche said that slave-style thinking has its use, and that's when someone doesn't believe that he can achieve master-style thinking on that matter. So yeah, this mindset surely makes men more confident although some of them would be stuck staying turkeys if they adopted such mindset in all cases.
And some men are ok with that, mostly MGTOW and PUAs since they just don't care much about women. (as opposed to incels, who straight out hate them and see them as the opposite of silly and cute... or eagles, who are able to deal with high-value / power women without being merely seductors, and seeing them as actual human beings)

Great points, Illystorm!

I'd just add that the "plan B" approach is still, well... The second best option.

Since many guys can achieve the plan A approach, it's worth at least trying.

But if not, then the plan B is surely a heck of a lot better than plan C, D, E... Etc. Etc.

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