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Thank you, Ali!

I hadn't thought of Jack's self-definition as "advanced".

And I hadn't thought about the potentially opposite attitude of "we're discussing advanced stuff here, we don't need concrete examples".

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Yeah, I find how he comes across as confusing.
At the first, he says

I am not a great writer. So if you see some way I could have improved this post let me know if your are so inclined.

This partially frames himself as a beginner.

But paradoxically, I think he feels very certain about some perspectives.
And he expects us to share these perspectives as he considers them fundamental and thinks that this forum is for advanced people.

Maybe he thinks 48 Laws of Power is fundamental.
When you point out to him your critique on the book, maybe that's where he disagrees vehemently.

This is what I meant by too much theory, the wrong theory.
Like people who spend too much time on red pill forums.
They develop a rigid set of perspectives.
The fundamentals of social dynamics are implicitly cast in stone in their mind.

Well, Bill Gates said that the internet wouldn't have taken off.

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Lucio: Anyway, if you or anyone else thinks I can improve on my dress / style, please do let me know :).

No feedback on dress and style because your sense of fashion is probably much better than mine as Kevin says :).

Not a good or bad point.
But I feel it's something to observe or note.

I think sometimes you ask for feedback in a generic way.
As such, I will write from many different angles.
And I'm not sure if I am touching upon the points that you are seeking out.

Maybe you intend not to constrain the feedback-giver.

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Thank you Matthew!

Do you have some more examples of asking feedback in a generic way?

Sometimes I do that on purpose, yes.
The more generic the ask, the more room you leave for people to express themselves.
And you might get something out of it that you weren't even thinking of.

For example, if I'd ask:

Specific ask: Do you think the sales page is too salesy?

Then I'd be influencing and nudging the feedback towards a narrow "thin slice" of the whole process.

But if ask a general feedback about the sales & marketing of Power University, then I might get a boatload of gold for stuff I wasn't even thinking of.
As was the case in the recent wave of feedback.

However, that doesn't mean that I might not be overdoing or extending this approach to situations where it's not effective anymore :).

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I think when it comes to design, sometimes you ask a generic question like

What do you think about the colour?

Then, I'm not sure if saying whether I like the colour or dislike the colour would be enough.
Or should I comment about how the colour on the home page matches or mismatches the colour on the forum page?
Or maybe I should recommend a few colours.

I think outlining the big picture may help.
Here's an example although I didn't think in detail:

My goal is to portray this website as a credible collection of practical strategies for power dynamics.
I envision an image that is

  • Credible
  • Novel
  • Exciting, enticing

Currently, it is challenging for me to change the set of colours all at once on this website.
I usually change the colour of a certain portion one at a time like the colour of the forum.
This is a current constraint for me.

Even though novelty and an attractive colour palette is important, my goal is to prioritise readability for Power University customers.

At the same time, I would like to ask what type of colours you think would

  • Attract a new user to use this website
  • Encourage a new user to post on the forum
  • Have good readability such that people will continue posting on the forum
  • Power University is a long course.
    I want the customers to have less eye strain.
    So bright colours may not be ideal even though it's attractive.

This is a relevant thread:
How to Request for Feedback? E.g. In User Interface & Experience Design

I see what you mean.
I think generic and specific has advantages and disadvantages.
And it depends on who you ask for feedback from too.

Advantages

  • Works especially well for experienced people or people willing to give detailed feedback
    • If you ask experienced people for feedback, you can keep it generic as they will probably tell you things from new angles. (Lucio's main point)
    • They will give you specific, actionable ideas even with a generic frame to work with
  • You don't really know what you want.
    Or you are stuck.
    As such, you want to open up to the floor for brainstorming.
  • Saves time.
    It's easier to keep things general.
  • General is good regardless of experience too for coming out with new ideas.
    Especially if you have large access to an audience.
    Ideas will come out if lots of people engage.

Disadvantages

  • You may get feedback that doesn't take into account your goals, constraints, resources, etc.
  • Some people would not know where to start and end up not giving feedback
  • There's a chance of getting back more generic feedback instead of actionable feedback
  • People who are less experienced may confuse you with not so good feedback
  • If you know what you want but need refinement, I think asking for more specific feedback would be better.
    Asking for convergent thinking like solving specific issues rather than divergent thinking like brainstorming new ideas.
    I mean they are not exclusive because solving issues need new ideas.
    Sometimes it leans more in one direction

Start from Generic & Go Specific

Like how a manager starts a meeting by asking for ideas and people to speak before speaking.
To avoid bias and avoid influence from someone more powerful.

Then, one can sieve out the interesting, new ideas and proceed to request more specific feedback.

I think the colour thread didn't really go anywhere:
Gonna test some new color combinations...

But maybe that's a different issue.
Because it may take some expertise and lots of time to come up with good colours for a brand.

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Got it, you make great points, thank you Matthew!

I think in part it also depends on the person, and one can calibrate better in real-life.
In real life, you can better judge whether the person is lost with a generic question, or whether he relishes in the opportunity of going in their favorite direction.

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