Neil Strauss Case Study: Dealing Dominant Women

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Neil Strauss writes in “The Game” that two years in a row he was the “best pick-up artist in the world”.

Of course, that didn’t say much about his abilities.

The title was awarded on an Internet forum which was likely populated by people who weren’t very socially skilled.

This post analyzed the power dynamics of Neil Strauss’ appearance on the show “The View”.

Neil Strauss Bullied

Neil Strauss was bullied on The View.

And he did little to nothing to stop that bullying.
He let himself be bullied while he kept smiling.

First of all, watch this video and see what you can notice:

The short of it is that the host -Star Jones, the de facto “head bit** there- aggress and Neil Strauss evades.

Neil’s strategy is to avoid confrontation, try to isolate Star and charm the rest of the group.
Be like water” Bruce Lee would have said, very typical of the Charmer types (The Art of Seduction).

Neil does rather well in charming the group and is relatively successful in isolating Star but at the very heavy price of being socially gored by her dominant, vindictive barbs.

Let’s see then some great strategies Neil Strauss could have used to deal with the aggressive woman:

1. Nip It in The Bud: Set The Precedent

Get Into Fight Stance to Avoid Fighting 

The beginning of social interactions sets the tone for what is about to come, and it is particularly true with an aggressive opponent.

Imagine that beginning as him sniffing you out and testing your mettle.

He will try to make an offhand remark, or maybe force the upper hand in the handshake.
And if you let it slip without doing anything about it the aggressor will feel he’s just been green-lighted to tooling you.

Neil Strauss Is Too Submissive

Neil is too submissive at the beginning and sets a bad precedent.

Star shows the first aggressive sign with a disparaging remark (yeah right): only supremely confident individuals belittle so openly.

She then uses a thumb display, speaks loudly over the hand-clapping, and with a reproaching tone turns to Neil putting her elbow on the desk.
These are all nonverbal power moves as if to say “what the fu** is that all about, explain!”

Neil’s movements are smooth in his reply, but no good execution will change the fact that the whole cluster -including his verbals- are submissive.
Here’s what he could have done to show he’s no pushover instead:

  • Touch Her: Touching first is a sign of dominance and confidence.
    He could have smiled -not laughed- at her initial joke while lightly placing a hand on her back or upper arm. Touching is a simple, not aggressive way of showing confidence and dominance.
  • Imply She’s Dumb: Instead of saying “I’ll explain” he could have smiled and said “Nice intro. It’s not exactly like that, lemme clear that up“.
    This implies Star got it all wrong with her generalization and sets him as the authority with the straight facts.

The Theory of Aggression

Before we dig deeper into the practical techniques it’s great to understand the theory behind aggressive interactions and the escalation they often follow.

  • 1. You’re Dumbstruck and do Nothing

For most people, and especially if you are a non-aggressive person, the moment you are first aggressed will leave you at a loss for words.

Most people in this situation withdraw within themselves and move on pretending nothing happened.

  • 2. The Aggressor is Emboldened

Seeing the victim has no answer to their antics emboldens the aggressor and often leads to more aggression.
This is why you need to push back right on.

If it’s in a romantic relationship, this can often be the woman actually, and her aim is not usually to hurt you, but a misguided attempt to get you emotionally involved when she feels you are withdrawing.

Outside of a romantic relationship, the aim is usually to hurt you, make you look bad, or dominate you for their own gain.

  • 3. Aggression Repeats 

In either scenario, you will often find yourself in a situation where your boundaries are continually encroached upon.

You can feel victimized and lost, but since the precedents have been set, you can feel like it’s too late to do something.
So the victim hopes the aggressor will not exaggerate, that he will show some restraint, and that it will soon be over.

But it rarely stops by itself: the aggressor often enjoys harassing or he can have something to gain in keeping a dominant/dominated relationship.

  • 4. The Victim’s Psychology

Some Victims often defend their aggressor to cover up their inability to stand up.

They will say “oh it was nothing” (we’ve already seen this behavior here from Fredo in The Godfather, check it out again).
What they are really trying to say though is “no, their behavior is OK, it’s not me who can’t do anything about it“.
When brought to extreme cases, people can even develop real feelings for their harassers (captor bonding syndrome).

  • 5. Aggression Escalates

The next step is usually much bigger aggression.

It can sometimes happen because the victim tried to undermine the aggressor with passive aggression or sometimes simply because he’s emboldened enough by the successful previous aggressions to take it to the next level.

While the smaller previous harassment might have seemed justifiable somewhat, the big one is more obvious and more humiliating.
For example, your boss was raising your voice in private, but now he just berated you in front of everyone (read here how to deal with yelling bosses).

In Neil Strauss’ case, the first major instance of escalation was when Star Jones shouted orders while pouncing the table with her hand:

This is your chance to step up to the plate now. Let’s get back to the techniques:

2. Respond in Kind

Fight Fire with Fire

Responding in kind, in this case, would have meant this:

Neil turned around, started smacking his own hand on the table, leaned towards Star, and said:

“How would you feel if I did this to you lady? Probably bad because it’s very rude and disrespectful, right?”.

Chances are she would have been dumbfounded on her own and, put on the spot, backtracked with an apology.
And if she kept up with her offensive antics she’d be playing into your hand: you are painting her as the ill-manned one and she’s just proving it to everyone.

Keep cool and repeat she’s very rude as she shames herself by raising her tone (repeat: “yes you are”, “yes you are”).

3. Use Aggressive Behavior to Shame Him

And Recruit Everyone on Your Side

With this technique, you call on everyone around to side with you by playing the “empowered victim”.

It’s a very neat and effective way of quickly turning the aggressor into the aggressed.

Simply plainly state what she’s just done is very vulgar and uncivil and you feel insulted (notice the word usage: “uncivil” carries a wallop of power). Demand an explanation of why she’s behaving like that and be expectant of an apology.

It’s less dominant than Respond in Kind but it can put more pressure on the aggressor because it’s no anymore “you VS him” but “everyone VS him”.

Watch Tom Cruise executing it:

Notice at the beginning Tom IS falling for the accommodating, victimized road by pretending it was OK (it’s a natural reaction).
But after the initial surprise, he quickly changes tack and uses the shaming technique. Notice the people around naturally siding with him.

he then moves to aggression, which was a mistake as he comes across as vindictive and butthurt and he should have avoided it.

To read more on shaming, read the following:

4. Scold Them With Moral Authority

Hit and Move Along

This is possibly the simplest technique to use.

You state it was rude and then move on.
It’s so powerful because it sets you as the judge and the moral authority of the interaction.

It works great when it’s indeed true they were rude because your moral authority is backed by a powerful ally: reality. And everyone around will be silently agreeing with you.

In Neil Strauss’ case he would have turned around slowly, looked at her for a second, and said: “Woah, that’s very rude of you”.
And then moved along with his speech. She would have probably gone crazy, but again that would have been a good thing.

The idea is that you judge and then move along leaving the aggressor in the dust. You communicate you’re a superior man who doesn’t get dragged in the swaps by the aggressive pigs.

Power Moved!

5. Use Nonverbals Against Them

Getting rid of someone without uttering a word is even more powerful than speaking.

Two options:

Dominate with Touching

In Neil’s situation, he could have turned around while still speaking and without missing a bit put his palm either on her arm or on her back.

Since she hadn’t touched him yet it would have been a powerful way of invading her personal space first in a very socially savvy and not overtly aggressive way.
The sub-communication being: “I keep going and ignore it, but you won’t be such a rabid dog, chill”

Shame With Facial Expression

Similar to Moral Authority Judgement, but you point an imaginary finger at them without speaking a word.

Neil could have stopped for 3 seconds, made a disgusted facial expression, and then resumed.
Just make sure that your expression is obvious enough that everyone will notice and take a long enough pose to highlight it.

What Neil Strauss Should Have Done

For your own benefit, here are a few more things Neil Strauss should have done better:

Commit and Stick to it

He says a couple of times “oh my God I can’t believe I’m saying this“, only for Star to prod him and Neil follows suit.

Tentative decisions make you look insecure.
If you’re on a show to talk about something, talk about it. If you don’t wanna talk about it, don’t.
But don’t dilly dally.

Don’t Finger Point

It’s been well-researched that using your index finger while speaking makes you less liked by the audience.

Don’t Kiss Up – Just Don’t

As we’ve already seen at the extreme end of abusive relationships people can grow fondness and love for their oppressor.

But we all have this tendency even in less extreme situations.

It’s the tendency that, out of fear, makes us hope that if we extend our olive branch and laugh at their joke, or tell them how cool they are… Then maybe they’ll like us and we can be friends on more equal footing.

Forget it, you’ll never be on equal footing unless you stand up to them. And bullies will interpret your friendly gestures as your final capitulation.

Look how Star derides and brushes off Neil Strauss when he kisses her:


And here are a few more pointers on the power dynamics of the situation:

Host Advantages

The hosts will most often have a few advantages over you:

  • Home Advantage Both in terms of comfort levels and even testosterone levels
  • Final Authority The host has the strong power position of being on his show, making him the final authority -or feeling as one-
  • Asks Questions The person who asks questions is inherently more powerful than the person who has to answer.

Neil Strauss Advantages:

  • He sits in the center

The center position is the position of the highest power and influence, and Neil has it.

The Second World War gave the USA the (unofficial) supreme leadership of the (Western) World. And the below picture is emblematic and representative of that shift of power, with the US president sitting in the middle and Stalin to his right.

It’s even more powerful when there are more than just two people by your side because it says you are the leader of a whole group (just think of Jesus in the Last Supper).

  • He’s the only man

Being the only one of your gender is a natural attention grabber.
Even normally not-so-attractive men or women receive an immediate, major attention boost that can easily propel them to the center of attention.

  • Captivating Topic

The topic he talks about captivates and grabs people’s attention. Particularly women’s attention, and he played that card very well to ingratiate the group.

  • He’s the “Subject Matter Expert”

Neil is the expert on the discussion topic (but just as a note, his book The Game is terrible for dating advice).

And the one who’s viewed as the expert in the room always has a huge power boost.
If you’re the expert people come to depend on you and listen to your advice, and that naturally gives you power.

How to Ace Difficult Interviews

There are two major lessons learned I would take away from this video that you can implement in your life:

Stand by Your Deeds

Neil Strauss was insecure because he felt weird and ashamed that his book was about picking up women. He felt like he needed to justify himself.
That was a major reason why he was on the back foot.

To be confident, it’s key that you do what you believe in and that you own up to what you do. Sign your work at the end of each day, says John Maxwell (Sometimes You Win Sometimes You Learn). Mistakes and blunders included. When you can do that, your confidence will skyrocket because you’ll be proud of yourself and you ain’t got nothing to hide.

And the next someone will look at you as if to say “explain” you’ll reply:

“explain what, I don’t have anything to explain and least of all to you, what are you, the moral police?“.

Nobody Has the Right to Intimidate You

It doesn’t matter whether you expect aggression or not. You are a respectful human being and you know in your bones that you don’t accept that aggressive and rude behavior.

If it means escalating and walking out from a show, then be it.

Watch the related video breakdown here:

4 thoughts on “Neil Strauss Case Study: Dealing Dominant Women”

  1. I’m not even going to explain how much I loved this article in particular, I enjoy very much those posts about how to deal with specific social situations, because it also gives the right mindset to apply designed moves when in different conditions. It trains the mind by examples and we all know that is one of the best ways to learn.

    When I met Neil Strauss’s work on seduction I got the first impression that he was very good in social dynamics, that he would really know how to deal with power moves and stand up for himself, because a lot of people I know kiss up for him. But, oh man, I got extremely disappointed when I saw those interviews. My opinion is that he got distracted and confused by his own goals. What I mean is: He wanted to sell his book and wanted to be respected in the Pickup community. But also, he wanted to please everyone there and it backfired, because the hosts (in general) were very bad to him from the very start and he didn’t have the balls to confront them because he wasn’t used to do it on television, even though he probably already was familiarized with those behaviors from his experience with women he just wasn’t confident enough to apply the techniques on TV. There are also some clips on YouTube of him getting completely owned and embarassed because he didn’t have the confidence to demonstrate his skills on camera, and admitting it.

    I enjoyed very much this one! Hey, Lucio! Please, consider more celebrities analysis! The posts about Conor McGregor were great, I hope you take a look into Russell Brand (energetic and explicitly sexual dominance), Harvey Specter (fictional from the series called “Suits”, completely based on power moves, manliness and strategic dominance), and Craig Ferguson (on his seduction style, very dirty and funny but also with a strong maturity on it).

    1. Hi Gabriel, exactly, generalizations such as “demand respect” are almost useless. But when our mind is ready with concrete examples, then we will be prepared -our minds don’t even make differences between reality and imagined situations-.
      I agree with you, Neil seems to be a major people’s pleaser. It works great in many situations, but you can really look like a doormat when faced with aggressive opponents. And you can also seem very slimy when people realize you’re just adapting to everyone and never standing up for your own beliefs.
      Russel Brand is a good one, Specter and Ferguson didn’t know them but definitely will look into them now!
      Cheers buddy!

  2. Greta one as usual Lucio, you’re amazing at this stuff. funny enough I would have thought he did good before watching this breakdown :S but it opened my eyes and I now I understand it was quite bad indeed

    1. Thank you Matt!
      You’re not the only one, I did take a look at the Youtube comments under that video and many of the guys thought Neil did great -guys are notoriously less good than women at decoding social dynamics, but you’re not one of them anymore now :)-

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