Do good and evil overlap?
And do heroes and psychopaths share the same personality traits?
This post is the answer to these questions.
this is a very theoretical post and I have written it for personal research first and foremost.
It might not be perfectly worded or a very smooth reading.
But as a website on games people play, power moves and social dynamics, this was an important distinction for me to make.
If you read this website for the more practical applications of psychology in social skills, dating and relationship, you can skip this article (or jump to the conclusion, such as: evil and heroes have some limited overlap but are fundamentally different).
- Are Psychopaths Normal People?
- The Psychopath / Hero Hypothesis
- When Good and Evil Intersect
- Common Traits of Heroes & Psychopaths
- Research on Heroes & Psychopaths
- Differences: Psychopaths Are Not Heroes
- Popular Culture Misrepresentations on Good and Evil
- Conclusions: Evils & Heroes Not The Same
Are Psychopaths Normal People?
Susan Cain got me on my own quest for more information with her book Quiet: The Power of Introverts.
She says that extroverts -as opposed to introverts- have low reactivity to environment stimuli, and if raised in bad families and bad neighborhood, they are more likely to become bullies and thugs.
That was deep wisdom and makes sense.
However, in the same paragraph she then quotes Lykken saying that heroes and psychopaths are twigs on the same genetic branch.
That felt way too much for me.
To imply that the difference between psychopaths and non-psychopath extroverts was just one of nurture and environment seemed a bit off.
If that was true, it would mean that:
- Parents and environment determine heroes or evils (little genetics and personal choices)
- There is little difference between “good” and “evil”
I had to dig deeper.
The Psychopath / Hero Hypothesis
The idea that heroes and psychopaths share similar traits has been popularized by David Lykken.
In his book The Antisocial Personalities, Lykken writes:
I believe, in short, that the hero and the psychopath may be twigs on the same genetic branch
Is that true?
This article is my own personal quest searching for answers.
Is Psychopathy Nature or Nurture?
Turns out that psychopathy is largely genetic.
However the environment will impact if and how the genes are expressed.
But there is a difference between sociopaty and psychopathy.
Martha Stout in The Sociopath Next Next Door says that sociopathy is around 50% genetic. The other half is culture and parenting, albeit we really don’t know too much about either it as of now.
She says that especially culture has a large impact on how some people turn sociopaths. For example individualistic US culture has around 4% sociopaths compared with 0.2% in Taiwan. There are fewer sociopaths in the East because, supposedly, the culture stresses more about the collective social group than the individual.
Overall, albeit there is no consensus so far, it seems that sociopathy is much more nurture and culture as compared to psychopathy.
A 2018 paper indeed shows that positive parenting does not reduce the incidence of antisocial behavior in psychopaths.
It doesn’t seem correct then to imply that parents can make the difference between a hero and a (dangerous) psychopath.
But let’s now review what do we mean by psychopath and hero.
What’s a Psychopath
Psychopathy is a mental illness and the exact definition varies.
Wikipedia defines it as:
A personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits
Despite the common public perception, not all psychopaths are crazy, out of control killers (the low functioning ones most often are).
The high functioning ones indeed can control their impulses even if they feel nothing for the people around. And they enter into relationship, hold jobs and can form families.
The high functioning psychopaths “wear a mask” to act like non-psychopaths and often have families and jobs.
Here is me asking a psychopath about her mask on Quora:
Me: Thank you! I’m curious about when you wrote on “wearing a mask”. Do you mean to play the part and pretend to have feelings and empathy?
Psychopath Individual: Indeed. It is a persona constructed to blend in with everyone else.
However, no psychopath have a conscience and feels empathy and guilt.
Conscience and empathy are major checks on violence. A lack of either of them does make even high functioning psychopaths, generally, at least potentially more dangerous.
Dr Stephen McWilliams writes that psychopaths are around 1% of the US population and make up around 25% of the inmate population (statistics on the high end of the others I have read though.
Another source I had read times ago said that the percentage goes up when it comes to violent and repeated crimes (I will link it later if I find it again).
Psychopaths are predominantly male, and this paper says that “93% of adult male psychopaths in the United States are in prison, jail, parole, or probation.”
Psychopaths rarely change, and have extremely high rates of recidivism (ie.: they commit crimes over and over).
What’s a Hero
A hero is an individual who goes out of his way to help others.
That might entail a disregard of his own personal safety or own personal gains.
It’s this idea of not caring about consequences, which seems to be shared by low functioning psychopaths and heroes, that has led some to speculate the two may be similar.
By evil I don’t (necessarily) mean psychopaths.
I mean people who actively harm others either for their own gain or for their own pleasure (sadism).
That might include (low functioning) psychopaths, but not all psychopaths are evil.
And not all evil individuals are psychopaths.
In recent years there have been a few papers criticizing the link between psychopathy, violence and recidivism. But they bring little data and they run against a much larger body of evidence that does link psychopathy to a much higher incidence of violent behavior (Scott McGreal).
American Psycho is one of the most popular Hollywood representation of a violent psychopath (most likely an irrealistic one though):
When Good and Evil Intersect
My quest wasn’t just to explore psychopathy and non-psychopathy, but also also to explore a bit more what’s the relation between good and evil and if the two can overlap.
I particularly looked into the research on heroic behavior is the peak of “good”.
And antisocial, violent behavior as the poster child of “evil”.
Overlap Of Good & Evil
It does seem that the positive heroes have a set of personality traits that make them more likely to get in troubles and cross into the “bad side of the river” a bit more often.
According to Andrea Kuszewski, behavioral therapist writing for Scientific American, people who are more likely to engage in acts of heroism are also more like to be:
- Rule breakers
As you can see heroes are not likely to be good, quiet and peaceful the way a Dalai Lama or Gandhi would be (albeit Gandhi was allegedely abusive with is wife, the SOB).
But a bit more similar to a character such as Indiana Jones or Han Solo.
However, that is not to say that good and bad are very similar.
And that is not to say that psychopaths are also heroes.
Common Traits of Heroes & Psychopaths
Heroes and psychopaths do have some traits in common, including:
- Low impulse control (acting without thinking of consequences)
- Boldness (remain calm in threatening situations, associated with self-assured and assertiveness)
- Sensation seeking (engaging in risky practices for thrill)
Much of the overlap indeed seems to be in the “ability to take bold and uncommon actions”, including putting themselves in danger of facing long-term consequences.
Research on Heroes & Psychopaths
Here are a few key researches to help us make sense of this topic:
#1: Psychopaths and Heroes From Same Branch
A research paper called “Are psychopaths and heroes twigs off the same branch?” says:
(…) These findings raise the possibility that some psychopathic personality traits are modestly associated with heightened levels of heroic altruism (…)
The results of the paper were inconsistent, but overall traits related to fearlessness, fearless dominance and boldness and had modest positive correlations with heroic actions.
But Miller & Lynam (2012) found that the trait of fearless dominance measured by Smith et al. is only weakly related to antisocial behavior.
Traits related to disinhibition also showed mixed results.
Impulsive non-conformity showed modest positive correlations. And traits such as ‘carefree nonplanfulness’ showed modest negative correlations.
Measures of antisocial behavior and delinquency had some of the stronger correlation in the surveys. And antisocial behavior and delinquency showed moderate positive correlations with heroism.
However typical psychopathic traits related to meanness (ie.: ‘coldheartedness’), showed small to moderate negative correlations with heroism.
Scott McGreal, commenting on the survey on Psychology Today, notices that the survey don’t say when the antisocial behavior happened. Based on more researches and data, he speculates that it seems likely indeed that the antisocial behavior happened early in life.
I speculate that after some antisocial behavior and possibly punishment and feelings of guilt and remorse, the hero later learned and developed as a person.
#2. Sensation Seeking and Psychopathy
A recent research paper shows that there is a strong correlation between antisocial behavior and sensation seeking.
Sensation seeking is the tendency to engage in risky practices such as unsafe sex, excessive drinking, drug abuse and reckless driving.
And there is some evidence -but far from final- that sensation seeking might also be linked to pro-social behavior and heroism.
For example Israeli war veterans decorated for bravery were higher in sensation-seeking than non-decorated veterans.
However, I personally would be very wary of considering war decorations as a sign of pro-social behavior.
Scott McGreal says that people who score high in sensation seeking see risks not only as exciting opportunities, but also as challenges that they can cope with.
Naturally, that can lead to an increase in both anti-social and pro-social behavior.
#3. Psychopath & Heroism In First Responders
The paper Psychopath & Heroism In First Responders investigates the relation between psychopathic traits and heroic behavior in emergency workers VS a control population.
The results are very telling.
There was a small positive correlation between antisocial personality disorder and heroism (similar to the first paper that found that a history of antisocial behavior has a small correlation with heroism).
But among the supposedly psychopathic traits, only boldness and fearlessness were positively related to heroism (and only in the community sample, not in the first responders).
Within the first respondent population, meanness and disinhibition were negatively correlated to heroism and other altruistic behavior.
Albeit the research is not very deep, it seems that the overlap between heroism and some psychopathic traits is limited.
The fact that one of those traits is fearlessness says very little because, by their very nature, most heroic acts require some fearlessness.
Differences: Psychopaths Are Not Heroes
Albeit there are some commonalities, the differences possibly loom even bigger.
Lykken claims that the empathy -the capacity to empathize with other’s pains and feelings- is the main feature that differentiates psychopaths from heroes.
However, there is more.
Psychopaths have the following traits that differentiate them from heroes:
- Lack of empathy
- Lack of remorse
- Interpersonal antagonism
All these traits are important, but the last two of selfishness and antagonism are the most important ones.
Psychopaths -and sociopaths- are driven by personal gain and personal wins against others.
That does not make psychopaths positive heroes and, well, it’s exactly what makes them anti-social.
And when it comes to selfishness and risking their lives to help others, I asked a psychopath on Quora (don’t you just love the infinite possibilities of the digital age!!).
This was the back and forth:
Me: Oh, and one more question, there is some theories around about the similarities between psychopaths and heroes, such as psychopaths being more likely to put themselves in danger to help someone.
Do you agree with that?
Anonymous Psychopath: Certainly not, we’re very selfish.
I had already imagined that was the case. And that answer put the theory of psychopaths being able of heroic acts to rest for me.
Popular Culture Misrepresentations on Good and Evil
I personally believe that a lot of confusion stems from Hollywood, media and popular cultural misrepresentations.
Take Batman for example, who is often represented as a bad man fighting for good (a sociopath fighting for a good cause, many say).
The truth is that people without empathy and conscience will rarely fight for good.
Most people fighting for good are good people.
Or take image of Hannibal, the super smart psychopaths.
Well, not all psychopaths are inveterate criminals.
And serial kills and the most dangerous psychopaths aren’t really smarter than the average either (plus Hannibal was really bad in depicting “superior intelligence”).
Conclusions: Evils & Heroes Not The Same
In summary, there is some overlap between good and bad.
And between evil individuals and individuals capable of heroism.
However this link is mostly tied to personality traits that make risks less scary to both selfish and good people.
It makes indeed sense that fearful, timid individuals will not take any major risks in either the positive or negative side.
However, the overlap pretty much ends there.
Indeed people who become heroes are not mean, cold or selfish.
Don’t fall for excessive relativism. And don’t naively expect a psychopath to help you out when in danger.
Albeit there are plenty of non dangerous psychopaths, a psychopath is still more likely to be a menace to people and society than an unexpected hero.
Similarly, there is a difference between ultimately good people and evil ones.
My Personal Take Aways
One of the tenets of this website is to help fundamentally good people to become more bad.
Not to become more bad so that they can take advantage of others, but so they can stand up to evil and abuse.
I believe indeed that the world needs fundamentally good people who know how to be bad. Otherwise, the lever of power will always go the most unscrupulous, unethical and immoral of the individuals among us.
This research strengthened my personal idea that there is overlap between good and bad.
And certainly the same person can behave immorally on one occasion and morally on another.
However, fundamentally, the two are very different. And we should not give in to extreme relativism where we refuse to take a stance because, hell, “who am I to judge” or “anyone can be behave badly”.
No, feel freed to divide between good and evil, and take a stand for good.
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- My own reading around, including Quora and asking questions to psychopaths on Quora