Shit Tests Power Dynamics: 8 Ways To Win the Game

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The dictionary of power dynamics defines a shit-test as:

A shit-test is a premeditated social challenge set up by a man or a woman, but usually a woman, to test and assess the target’s reaction to the social challenge.

Shit-tests most often refer to dating and seduction and, as a rule of thumb, the person who shit-tests is the person who chooses. And that’s what the shit test is for: the shit-test is a tool for the chooser to evaluate the pursuer.

By the end of this article, you will know all about shit-tests. Including how to “pass” them.

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Keep your shit-guard up!

What’s A Shit Test

Shit tests is a term coming from the early days pick-up artists (see: The Game & Mystery Method).

It refers to women “testing” men to make sure they are good enough for sex, relationships or, simply, good enough to deserve their interest and keep the interaction going.

Men test women too, and men test other men as well -Trump, for example, says he likes testing people-.
Social interactions are full of tests as well.
So yes, in a way, we could say that shit tests are everywhere.

However, when talking about “shit tests”, 99% of the times people refer to women shit-testing men in dating and seduction contexts.

Here is one example of shit testing in dating and seduction:

“Oh you can’t get them to stop” can be seen as a shit test

Why Do Women Test Men

The reason is very simple.

Women shit-test men because in the sexual marketplace, on average, women have more power and are the choosers.

And when you are the chooser, you shop around and test the merchandise to make sure you get the best which is available within your budget -the budget being her sexual market value-.

What Do Women Test For

There are different theories on what women test men for.

Rollo Tomassi, author of The Rational Male, says women seek confidence, the proof is he has options and the proof he can provide security.

Chase Amante, author of How to Make Girls Chase says that women test men as part of the sexual arms’ race: men try to position themselves as better than they actually are and women need to make sure they’re not going to mate with some weak men who is posturing as alpha.

W. Anton, author of The Manual, says that women seek first and foremost strength, while Leil Lowndes author of Undercover Sex Signal says women seek men who are generally “better” than they are -the major element behind female hypergamy-.

And they are all right.
It’s not always easy to generalize what women look for when they test men because what they look for depends a lot on which point of the interaction you’re at.

Upon first meeting, she wants to make sure you’re not a weirdo. Later on, she wants to test you’re as cool as you seem, and a little later she wants to test if you could make for a good provider or a lover. If she’s looking for a relationship, she might also want to make sure you’re not a player.

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Avoid that shit test

Are Shit Tests Good for You?

There is a bit of a misconception around shit tests.

Part of it is because the pick-up community sometimes wants to encourage men instead of telling how it is.

And in an effort to provide encouragement some popular pick-up artists espouse the idea that shit tests are great news because it means she is considering you.
Here is an example from Todd Valentine, author of Day Game:

It’s not wrong, yet I personally wouldn’t say they are necessarily a good thing.
Shit tests, per se, are neither good nor bad. They’re like a half-full glass. Is it half full or is it half empty?
How you look at it depends on your take on them.

To understand this point, let’s go back to the analogy of the budget as the female sexual market value.

When something is “too cheap for her”, ie.: a low-quality man, she won’t be interested and won’t even test it.

If the merchandise is within her budget instead, it catches her attention. And since it could be a potential boyfriend or lover -or even friend-, then she wants to make sure which one he is -and if he is good enough for any of them-.
It’s these guys, who are just around her value, who get the tests.

But what happens if something that is out of her budget shows up? What happens if a super high value man pops up and it looks like she might have a shot at him?
Well, in that case, it’s a windfall, and testing doesn’t even enter the picture: she’ll be busier relishing the opportunity.

Just imagine the following scene: Brad Pitt goes out of a movie premiere and tells one of the screaming gals that she can go with him. Can you even imagine her shit-testing him on the way to his suite?
Exactly…

Hence, it’s not true that shit tests are necessarily “good”.
And it’s not true that women test depending on their value, such as: and it’s not true that high value women test more than low value ones.
Women test depending on how their value relates to yours.

Shit Test Power Dynamics

When she is testing you, she is putting up hoops for you to jump through. And people who put up hoops are the ones with power in an interaction.

From a perspective of power dynamics, shit-tests say she feels more powerful than you.
And when you’re in a mindset of “passing” shit tests, you are confirming that indeed she has more power, and she has higher sexual market value.

This is why this article, and in a way, this all website, is all about how not to jump at all.

Dealing With Shit-Tests

Throw that shit-test back!

In the beginning, I wrote “passing shit tests” as the title of this section for brevity and for SEO reasons.

But I just had to scrap it.

The idea of “passing” shit tests is a bad mindset to begin with.
One because it reinforces the idea that she is putting the hoops -and hence she is in the power position-.
And two because it conjures a “you vs me” frame, and we’ll see later why this is often not the most effective way of seducing.

So let’s get into it:

1. Ignore It

This is the standard, all season good format for any social challenge thrown at you when you can’t think of anything better or when you don’t feel it’s worth your effort.
Bad joke, underhanded comment, frenemy trying to devalue you… Women shit-testing you?
Pretend you didn’t hear it, act as if it didn’t register and you will show tremendous superiority.

Example:

Her: you said that? OMG, are you that kind of guy?
(pretending she didn’t says anything, keeps going with the story)
Him: yeah, and you won’t believe what she replied, listen to this..

2. Own Who You Are

Women will often test men to see if they can be friend, providers/boyfriends or lovers.

Men often fail tests because they have no idea what that means.
And when they do, they still don’t stick with one but try to fit the bill of what she wants. But since most of the times they are also not sure what she wants, they hem and haw and, finally, end up looking weak and insecure.

Solution?
If you’re hell bent in getting her, pick what you believe she most likely wants and then commit to it.
Or, even better, pick your role and stick with it. Then, pick the type of woman you like and then you shit-test women for what you want while being fully yourself.

Examples:

Her: I bet you say that to every woman
Him: No. Only to women I find attractive

Lover Type

Her: I bet you say that to every woman
Him: I used to. I used to chase women a lot and, honestly, even to lie to get pussy. It was a great time, but now I’m looking for something deeper. Don’t get me wrong, sex is still super important, but I’m looking for more than just a vagina. What are you looking for.

Reformed Lover

Her: I bet you say that to every woman
Him: why are you saying that
Her: you look like a guy who would hit on
(looks at her, serious and slightly disappointed)
Him: Not really

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Men who know where they stand and are unapologetic about it look strong and confident.
Often, they turn the shit-test right back at her without even trying, just by being themselves.
They end up socially dominating her, which is supremely attractive to women and is a preview of the bedroom physical domination which might come later.

3. Shame Her

I really like this option.

Instead of playing the game, you shame her for playing the game.

This is a very powerful technique which is particularly effective to stamp out games and combativeness from relationships, but works also well in earlier interactions.
Basically, you want to shame her for playing a “me VS you game” and make her follow your lead into a more collaborative “us in this together” form of seduction.

Look at Juan Antonio playing a similar game in Vicky Cristina Barcelona:

“I came here with no subterfuge presenting my best offer”. Bang!

That’s the power of confidence coming from genuinity and (positive) vulnerability: the man who doesn’t need to hide and owns who he is.

Also see this article on “enlightned collaboration“:

3.1. Use “Collaborative Shaming”

Collaborative shaming (definition) is a PowerMoves technology to turn a confrontational “me VS you” frame into a more collaborative one -with you as the leader-.

See here one real-life example from the forum:

4. Own Her Accusation

Another powerful technique is to own her shit test.
Look at this example:

Her: you are just looking for sex
Him: I wouldn’t call it “just”. Sex is one of the pleasures of life and a strong sexual chemistry is very important to me

Now she is forced to agree (and comply with you), or to disagree and break rapport.
In either case, it’s you who is testing her.

5. Put Your Foot Down

This technique leverages social power and soft power.

It consists of drawing her out, taking her into the noman’s land, and then taking the judge position by laying down your law.
here is on example:

Her: Ahaha that was so silly of you, you’re so naive
Him: why are you saying that
Her: everyone knows you can’t trust cops
Him: that’s not true, plenty of trustworthy cops. Anyway..

Basically the shit-test buster here is that you hold your guns and fail to retreat by standing your ground on whatever she says.
It’s also an option to make her retreat and defend, but I wouldn’t recommend it in seduction as belligerence is rarely conducive to sex.

Or here is an example of what I call “boundaries shit testing”, where the girl purposefully push your boundaries:

Always draw a big line in the sand with any personal disrespect

Never, ever accept disrespect as a shit test.
As a matter of fact, you shouldn’t even think “shit test”, you should think “this is inadmissible”.

6. Turn It Back On Her

Imagine this dialogue:

Her: You’re so into yourself (with a haughty look, turning away as if to refuse him)
Him: Me? I’m so into myself? (turns to her, gets closer to her to her face, raises his voice but smiling: it’s a friendly counterattack) Look at you, with the slim fit biker leather jacket (reaches out to her scarf), the Italian scarf, the coiffed hair… (touches her hair) I think if there is anyone into himself around here that’s not me (then pats her head as if to say “but nice try, kiddo”)
Her: (lowers her eyes, smiles, she’s happy of the compliments… And for being social out-powered)

This is similar to an exchange that happened to me some time ago, and little later we went back to my place.
I cannot re-run the interaction to test it, but I’m fairly confident this was the biggest turning point on the way to bed.

6. Agree/Disagree & Amplify

This is a popular frame control technique in the manosphere.

It’s not my favorite tool of choice but it can work for guys who are higher energy.
So if she says for example that you are trying to pick her up, the “agreeing and amplify” would go overboard and say that you’re not just trying to pick her up, but you’re trying to make her your wife and take her on a honeymoon tomorrow morning firs thing.

If you’re high energy and on the fun side, you can take control of the frame with the “agree and amplify” and become the leader, which is always a good thing in seduction.
The issue with it is that you’re still within the frame of you courting her, and she choosing.

7. Let Her Have It

This is the strategy of the superior player.

The superior player is so comfortable in his own skin and so confident that he doesn’t need to pay attention to “who’s in control”.
He has this mindset because he has reached a certain abundance mentality and has risen above the game.
He sees the games women play but decides to play a different game of inclusivity.

Look at this example:

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I let her have the win

You could say that “will you show me around” is a shit test to see if I am ready to invest.
A combative dynamic here would be to reply something like:

Only if you buy the drinks

But I don’t need that. As a matter of fact, you can sometimes test her better if you let her win.
Will she stop? Will she ask for more? Will she disrespect you after she feels she’s got more power?

These are the questions you want to answer for the people you accept into your life.
And you will not find out if you focus on winning the petty battle.

Also, notice that “a couple of spots I’m sure you would love” is a type of text-flirting and barely veiled hint at sex (his place) or even sexual anatomy (G-spot).

8. Don’t Get Tested, Test Her!

Men with high sexual market value are less concerned about being tested and more about testing the women they allow in their lives.

That’s why the best mindset to have is not to worry too much about women’s shit tests, but shit-testing women.

See a few examples here:

In the “best relationships” and “best dating books” list there are a couple of great books on how to screen high-quality women, take a look at those. They will help you get into a high-quality man mindset.

Turning Shit-Tests Around

This is an issue beginners sometimes stumble upon.

They first hear about shit tests, and everything becomes a shit test for them.
They bundle it up with “frame control“, and their idea of dealing with shit tests is to “beat her”, “win” the interaction, “beat” the shit test and “show how alpha they are“.

The problem with that is that they remain stuck in the frame of the woman being the chooser, and the man proving himself to her.

But as a general rule of thumb, you’re better served by either:

  • You doing the shit-tests
  • Turning her shit-tests into collaboration

The first one is obvious.
And the second one obeys one of the fundamental laws of power.
When she joins you in that collaborative frame, everything runs smoother because she takes an active role in the seduction.

It’s not too dissimilar from social skills after all. In social skills, you want to make friends.
And in seduction, you want to establish a partnership where both of you are contributing to go to bed together, without you having to convince, push and “prove yourself”.

Now, don’t get me wrong, the first time she shit-tests you, you must show the goods. Tha’s how you how display your good qualities.
But seduction should never be a long a string of shit-tests.
If you keep thinking within your head that you must pass her shit tests all the way to bed, then you’re approaching seduction the wrong way.

When Shit Tests Help Seduction

There are also situations when a shit test is actually helping the seduction.
Yet having a mindset that you need to “overcome it” or “beat it” can put guys in the wrong mindset and they miss a great opportunity.

Take this example:

Her: how much do you love me

(thinks to himself: ouch, shit test, gotta fight it back!)

Him: I think the real question is how much do you love me. Don’t fall for me baby!

And that way, he just turned a very helpful interaction into a battle of wills. Now she wants to prove to him that she is not into him and that she does not need him.
And the interaction has become a power struggle.
And power struggles rarely end up in bed -they can and it’s big fireworks of domination/submission, but you don’t make the rules with the exceptions-.

Take this other example, from a guy who avoids a combative mindset and see that question for what it is: a good opportunity for some role-playing, romance and for moving the interaction forward:

Her: how much do you love me

(Thinks to himself: awesome, I love flirtatious women!)

Him: From the first moment I laid my eyes on you. I knew we were meant to be together

(takes the opportunity to grab her hand and do a bit of GF/BF role playing)

How he takes it further depends on him.
A more playful man might ask how’s her schedule for the marriage.
A more serious guy with a secure attachment style might then add “but jokes aside, I like you. You seem very honest and forthcoming and I appreciate that in women

However that conversation goes, you can see the main difference here: the guy who thinks “let’s move it forward together” does move it forward together.
The guy who thinks “shit-test, me against her, gotta pass it”, takes the interaction into an unhelpful “me VS you” frame.

Indeed, a mindset of seeing shit-tests as flirting might be the most helpful one to deal with shit tests in general.

… And When Shit Tests Are Red Flags

Finally, burn this into your mind:

Not all shit women do are shit tests, but some shit women do simply are red flags about her and her personality.
When that’s the case, you don’t need to “pass” the shit test, you need to “pass up” on the bitch.

See an example here:

This is not a shit test, this is shit behavior!

If you can do so with low investment and effort, feel free to pursue these shitty-behavior women for sex.
But never forget who they are: low-quality women who make for terrible dating and, needless to say, terrible relationship partners. And you can do better.

SUMMARY

Shit tests go well beyond dating and seduction to encompass our whole lives.

The biggest takeaways I’d like you to have from this article are 3 major mindset shifts to deal with the roots of the issue instead of the symptoms:

  1. Instead of worrying on how to pass shit tests, focus on becoming a tester yourself
  2. Rather than playing the game by her rules, turn the game around and take control of the frame
  3. Shift mindset from “passing the shit test”, to “moving the interaction forward”
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